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I conducted a quasi-scientific analysis of the Kindle price points of the Top 100 Bestselling Thrillers on Amazon.com today (08-15-11). Here’s what I found:

Price = Frequency
$0.00 = 29             $5.23 = 1                $9.99 = 5
$0.99 = 26             $5.59 = 1                $11.99 = 1
$1.99 = 1                $7.99 = 5                $12.99 = 16
$2.99 = 6                $8.99 = 1                $13.99 = 1
$4.79 = 1                $9.59 = 1                $14.99 = 5

Observations: (Kindle pricing)

·         Out of the top 100 bestselling thrillers on Amazon.com today, 54 are priced at $0.99 or $0.00. (54%)

·         There are 34 thrillers charging money and under the $5.00 psychological price point. (34%)

·         There are 37 thrillers priced over the $5.00 psychological price point. (37%)

·         $12.99 appears to be the legacy publisher price point for most big-name authors.

·         $0.99 appears to be the indie publisher price point for most indie/self-published authors.

My (Idiot) Evaluations:

·         The majority of average readers/consumers with a Kindle, purchasing from Amazon.com are choosing from three basic price point categories:

A.    A free eBook (29%)

B.     A $0.99 eBook (26%)

C.     A Best-selling author’s eBook priced at $12.99, $7.99, or $9.99 (26%)

Those three categories account for 81% of the Top 100 Bestselling Thrillers, as of today.

Now, I’ve been a devotee of Dean Wesley Smith and I do agree with his arguments regarding the reasonable price points of full length novels. The last time I checked Sensei Dean was making a rational argument for $4.99 full-length novels.

On the other hand, authors like Joe Konrath, John Locke and Scott Nicholson like the $2.99 to $0.99 price points. Nicholson even has at least one of his novels priced at $0.00.

As for me, I originally priced my eBook editions of my debut thriller, _THE WATCHMAN OF EPHRAIM_ at $4.99. I then reduced the price to $2.99.

Factoring in such things as time of year, initial spike from the book being published, etc... I’d say that there was NO DIFFERENCE in my sales at either the $4.99 or $2.99 price points.

My wife, who is an avid buyer of Kindle books, thinks I’m crazy for selling my books at such a low price. When I show her this type of analysis and tell her about the rationale of successful authors like Konrath, Locke, and Nicholson … she replies with her South Philly swagger, “… Just because they’re nuts, doesn’t mean you have to be!”

Her points are:

1.      If she likes an author or book, she buys it – period, regardless of the price.

2.      She actually holds it against a book/author if she sees a price point under the normal legacy publisher prices.

My (Idiot) Conclusions:

·         People are buying books for a bunch of different reasons. But with that said, right now …

·         A slight majority of readers/consumers of Kindle eBooks are mostly buying $0.99 or free.

·         BUT … there still seems to be over 1/3 of Kindle readers/buyers that will pay whatever price for their favorite legacy author’s works.

One final thought and request … In September, I’m about to release my second novel, the sequel to _THE WATCHMAN OF EPHRAIM_ titled, _SIGNS of WAR_.

QUESTION: At what price do YOU think I should sell the eBOOK editions??? (and follow-up question … Should I keep _THE WATCHMAN OF EPHRAIM_ at $2.99 or drop it to $0.99 or free. Keep in mind, both books are part of the CRIS DE NIRO series - _TWOE_ is Book I.)

I'd sincerely appreciate your feedback!


p.s. ... Something I believe, ""I learned this, at least, by my experiment: that if one advances confidently in the direction of his dreams, and endeavors to live the life which he has imagined, he will meet with a success unexpected in common hours."Henry David Thoreau

 


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Lisa de
08/15/2011 8:21pm

$12.99 ... but then, you are my favorite author.

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Lisa R
08/15/2011 8:23pm

You have been living in the land of comps for too long -- how's that for Vegas swagger?!

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08/16/2011 6:34am

I think you should leave book 1 at $2.99, and price your new release higher at $4.99.

I happen to agree with Lisa. Divide the cost of your book by the amount of time you've spent on it... That's your wage.

For the amount of work that goes into producing a book, $0.99 is just ridiculous. Quite frankly, it doesn't say much about what an author thinks of their own writing.

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08/16/2011 6:42am

S&M! You think so, huh ... interesting. I know we authors look at it that way, for sure. Thanks for weighing in sista!

Oh, and don't mind the pretty little lady Lisa, shouting up top ... she want's $12.99 so she can go shopping more!

c",)

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08/16/2011 7:44am

It's a tough call, Gerard, and your statistics make me want to cry.

I sell at $2.99 (80,000 words). I trialled a week at 0.99 and made no difference. Like you, I have people telling me not to be stupid and to put the price up.
I sold plenty of copies in the first two months.

Personally, I do tend to think that anything lower than $2.99 says something about the quality of the writing and/or the author's belief in themselves.

As suggested, leaving book 1 and $2.99 and pricing book 2 higher seems like a good plan. I hope I can have the courage to do the same and not be tempted to give book 1 away in hopes of garnering a Konrath-sized following.

It's worth noting, Konrath and Hocking (is that right?) etc are pumping out books like KFC does chickens. What is the quality like of these? I spend a lot more time on a single piece.

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08/16/2011 8:06am

I'm with you Greg ... _The Watchman of Ephraim_, my first novel came in at just over 86,000. The one I'm releasing next month will be around 94,000 when its released next month.

Anything 80K or over, I think deserves to be priced at $4.99. What happens is, just like in too many other industries, competitors (in our case other publishers/authors) decide to give under-price or comp. Nothing wrong with that in theory - offering discounts is part of a capitalist system (creating demand).

I think the problem is that a growing portion of our consumers (readers) are becoming accustomed to the $0.99 novel as the norm.

The two price points that jump out at me from the analysis are $12.99 for established legacy-published authors and $0.99 for everyone else.

I would like to see the price for a full-length novel settle @$4.99 and then allow publishers to discount from there as an incentive (read: short-term promo).

As for pumping out books, I'm a devout follower and believer in what author Dean Wesley Smith advocates - 3-4 full-length novels per year is what we all should shoot for.

I know what you mean about spending lots of time on one work but I think, in order to establish our writing careers, we need to "fill our bakery shelves with our pies" so to speak.

I agree with you though - none of us should ever rush works out at the expense of quality.

Thanks much for weighing in ... giving me more food for thought.

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08/17/2011 8:09am

Throw away the stats…go with your gut!

I think deep down every writer knows what they want to charge for their book, story, etc. If it’s a good book, readers can be found regardless of price (for the most part). So, go with what you want to charge and don't worry about what everyone else is doing or what the statistics says you should do

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brendan stallard
08/17/2011 8:23am

Gerard,

I've not read your work, so I don't know. My pile of TBR books is too high already.

My thoughts on this blox about it being +80k words is just that. Some authors pad and woffle till I pray for abridgment.

If its over 60K words, it should be headed to a series anyway. Just don't do too much cliff-hanging, that can be a massive turn off and purchase disincentive.

Not knowing your stuff, what tempts me is a proper length chapter sample. Some of these big butt authors put out a sample of about 3 minutes. Am I going to buy that? No, I'm ticked and cross it off.

My top price for an ebook is $5. Eventually, when big pub dies, that'll be standard.

A dollar I'd give a chance to, without the free sample. $3 I'd need to read the sample.

$5 and I'd have to have some good reviews.

$8? Forget me as a purchaser.

Publish at Smashwords, I'll pay a premium to do without the DRM. I will change gadgets and I will NOT be bound by DRM.

Sorry if that's hard and not what you wanted to hear, but that is at least honest.

I do buy and read books, a lot of 'em.




brendan

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08/17/2011 8:50am

In the current market I think the expectations have been set a bit in that the price of the first book in a series comes in lower to entice new readers, but that later ones are set to what I would consider reasonable levels.

For me, anyone that spends time writing deserves to receive something for their effort, even if it's the low price of 99 cents. To everyone who provides their work for free outside of small windows of marketing opportunity, that tells me that they really don't respect what they've done, or it fails to meet the standards set by other works in their genre.

At a minimum I'd ask for $2.99 but probably would not price it over $4.99. To me, those price points are no-brainers when it comes to purchasing an ebook.

Any price above that range and I have to really, really like the authors work, while everything above $9.99 looks to me like simple greed on the part of the publisher. Where they are trying to conflate paperback/trade book prices with digital prices in the minds of the consumers.

In reality, this is a great problem to have. Best of luck with the new book release.

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08/17/2011 8:54am

I say $7.99 or $9.99. Those are where books at the low end for "legacy" publishers typically settle and 8 bucks is a bargain. Even 10 bucks is still an easy buy, even if it slips over impulse.

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08/17/2011 9:38am

New book: $2.99
If it doesn't sell the way you want, go down to .99 for 3 months.

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08/17/2011 9:44am

Do you want to sell lots of books, then price the book very low. If you want to make a profit price it higher. Another idea is to price the book by the number of pages, multiplied by the quality factor. For example, each 20k pages is $0.99. Therefore a 60k page book will be $2.99. If you feel the book is above average, add another 20%, which would make the book $3.59. This is pricing by formula, and will take the guess out of it. Unfortunately pricing is more an art then a science. Good luck!

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Carol
08/17/2011 9:55am

I buy e-books on the kindle. I buy books between $3.99 and 99 cents.

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08/17/2011 9:59am

As a fairly recent Kindle customer, here's my pattern thus far: if it's under $5, it's an impulse buy. I see it, I like it, I click. Over $5 and I have to think if I really want the book. So if you're building an audience, lower price triggers impulse buying, so it should be a factor. If you have a strong fan base, you can charge more.

One factor that should be acknowledged is how little secondary value an ebook has. The experience is akin to renting a DVD.

And the most important factor to consider is this. If your book is traditionally published, what is your royalty from the publisher? Compare that to your cut from self-publishing. You can net a lot more from a $2.99 ebook than you can from a $9.99 paperback.

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08/17/2011 10:17am

I appreciate the replies!

A.R. - I agree, we all have our own thoughts about the range at which we'd like our books priced. In the end, as Self/Indie Publishes, we just have to price them whether based on stats or gut.

Brendan - I really appreciate your insight on pricing - very helpful to me! No DRM on my novels ... I don't believe in it either. I do publish on Smashwords, Coker did a great thing with that site. I hope you decide to read my novels at some point - I think you'll find, for good or for bad - I don't pad "... just the facts, mam!" c",) Thx!

Frank - Again, very helpful insights, thanks for sharing them. I feel the same way as you and Brendan about pricing. Thanks for weighing in.

Scrib - That's where my wife wants me to price my novels - but her agenda is the need/desire for shoes. c",) I think Brendan may have it right when TradPub hits that critically-low sales volume - eBook prices will take shape around $5. Although, I'm sure my better half is going to be pointing at your suggestion from now on! Thx for your thoughts.

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08/17/2011 10:26am

DG - Interesting formula. I'm a quant by nature so formulas appeal to me - though I agree with you, I think pricing can start with the formula but ultimately has to have qualitative thinking applied to it before setting. Thx ...

Carol - That's what I needed to know and I think we all can see a trend forming here. Thank you.

Jaye - Your point about secondary value is a good one! Also, your buying practice seems to be in line with a few others. I'm started to see a trend around the $5 psychological price point barrier and sound reasons for pricing _SIGNS of WAR_ in the $2.99 - $4.99 range. I appreciate your weighing in!

Hey, I hope more comments roll in and I hope they help my brutha and sista authors too!

Your comments are very helpful, everyone!

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08/17/2011 10:44am

At 80k words, a full-length novel is worth at least $4.99. But what it is WORTH vs. what readers will PAY, now there's the rub. I will give my experience (peppered with a bit of my wife's as well) as a Kindle reader and after having just under two months of statistics from the Pauper's Book Club.

$0.99 cent novels sell a lot more than others. Every bit of data I've seen, including your own, shows that to be true. That's an easy one. I agree with Jaye that just about anything under $5 could be considered an impulse buy for some, but I find my "impulse limit" to be much lower. For me, $0.99 is an impulse, $2.99 gives me a little pause unless I know the author or series, and $4.99 I read a lot of reviews before I shell out. And most times I'll borrow a $5 book from an author I don't know if I can't find a cheaper one to try first. That might lead to a later sale, or it might lead to me being pissed that I can't read any of your stuff for under $3. :)

Anything over $5 is almost off my list these days. Yeah, I'm a cheap-o, but I have a set reading budget every month that I can spend, and my wife has her budget. Without them, we would drop $100, easy, on books every single month.

All of that leads to my advice, which is not a terribly unique perspective, but it's my own, so there. :)

Price the first book in your series at $2.99. Price each subsequent book at $4.99. People who are already your readers will pick up your books at these very fair prices and not even blink.

If you have enough books available, make at least one or two of them $0.99. Make the barrier for trying you out as a new author as low as you can possibly make it while still respecting yourself in the morning. If you have some older books that have been around a while but are still very reflective of your style as a writer, make a few of those $0.99 and point people to them to try you out. Even better, pick an older series (if you have one) and make the first one $0.99 and the rest $2.99.

I can't tell you how many writers I've tried at $0.99 and then ended up picking up their $3 and $5 titles after discovering how much I like them. I CAN tell you how many I've discovered with nearly every book priced at $5. Next to none. If you don't have a book cheap enough (for me) to try you out, I'm probably not going to.

Most of this is just my feelings, but some of it comes from PBC's stats and the buying habits of people I've seen on the site. It's definitely given me a lot to think about when my first book comes out here in a few months. Hope that offers... something. :)

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08/17/2011 11:05am

Good points can be nmade on all sides.

I chose to go with an "introductory" price of $1.99, but I'm keeping my options open,

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08/17/2011 11:18am

Hi,

I'm new to this, but from a business and economics perspective I don't see the logic in pricing ebooks extremely low. I think a sliding scale based on book length is a preferable way to go. That gives a profit margin proportional to the amount of work that went into the story, and sends a clear signal to the consumer as to what he/she is getting for the money. I wrote a post on this a couple weeks back (http://bit.ly/nheQZz).

Good luck!

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08/17/2011 11:25am

Duh. If I'm going to mention the sliding scale, I ought to put what I think it should be, huh?

Here's my concept:

$.99 - short stories (<10k words)
$1.99 - novelettes (10k - 20k words)
$2.99 - novellas (20k - 50k words)/collections of 5 shorts
$3.99 - novel (50k - 75k words)/collections of 10 shorts
$4.99 - novel (75k - 100k words)
$5.99 - novel (100k+ words)

Sorry about the double comment.

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Genevieve
08/17/2011 11:26am

I apologize if this has already been stated at length (I haven't read the whole thread, which I know is rude but I'm crunched for time!), but how much effort you've put into a book has no effect on what price the market will bear. As a result, I don't think effort should be the main input when deciding on price.

All of the data we see is really limited, so I'm not sure I would consider it to be rigorous, or anything more than anecdotal.

Speaking of anecdotal...my own behavior: if I'm a fan of a series, I'll snap up the next one for 7.99. Intro book priced lower is always nice, but if I really love a writer, 7.99 isn't a big deal. I do pay more for one shot classics / books who's awesomeness is well known, but that's about it. 7.99 is also the price point where indie meets traditional, muddling that signal a bit, if you're concerned about your wife's tendency to think lower priced books are of lower quality.

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08/17/2011 11:33am

Doing a survey on exactly this topic. Thus far - $.99 - $4.99 is ahead. Gives quite a bit of room to maneuver - but - $5.00-$10.00 is right behind in the polling.
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08/17/2011 11:33am

Damon - First, thanks for pointing me to The Pauper's Book Club. Your buying decisions are in line with many others (and mine).

So now, since I only have one novel out and one coming out next month, I'm trying to apply your thoughts - perhaps I should price the new one at $2.99 and my first one (the Book I of the series) at $0.99 ... which could cause my wife to hit me over the head with my hardcover edition. Once I publish Book III (hopefully by December) I could price it at either $4.99 and make each subsequent new work (within the series) $4.99.

The pondering continues ... thanks for weighing in!

Michael - my contentions with the $1.99 price, even as an introductory one are that a.) it's already under the 70% royalty rate, b.) it won't appear with the $0.99 books, and c.)it may seem like an odd price to the discount shoppers (it's definitely an outlier for the Top 100). The extra buck doesn't make us richer, especially at the 35% royalty, while the extra buck could cause the discount shoppers to not hit 'buy.'

Of course, I could be totally wrong about that - just my feelings. Thx for weighing in.

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Beth
08/17/2011 11:34am

(*psst, passive guy sent me...*)

I'm with Mr Courtney, above.

I avoid traditional-publisher prices for ebooks unless I personally know the author and want to support them. And even then, I cringe quietly. Under $5 is what I look at, because any higher and I'd rather have an easily-lendable hardcopy instead. (Exception: tabletop roleplaying books, which have different requirements. I expect to pay more for those.)

I don't see 99c books as necessarily awful. They might be, but then again, there are a lot of awful-sounding book blurbs with trad-pub prices or higher, too. A well-written blurb, a good sample...? I figure the author is doing a loss-leader or promotional sale, and I'd better buy fast.

So I would expect a first book priced at loss-leader levels, and a second one higher. I would be price-sensitive after $4, because I perceive trad-pub prices to be greedy, but could see $5. If you did a promotional low price that you then raised later, that would likely fit the new model. You might, eventually or sooner, look into a "price high for X months, then drop," placing a premium on getting the next one ASAP (I gladly paid trade paperback prices for a eARC from Baen, for a very favorite author, then went and bought the hardcover later...), but you might want to say as much on the page blurb to set expectations -- and you then have to hope they check back in X months if they opt for patience over price.

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08/17/2011 12:06pm

This business is moving so fast right now that EVERYONE is shooting from pure feeling and instinct. The ones who have real data are sharing it with all of us, but some of them have already "made it", so their data doesn't really tell you what you need to know as a newer author. You'll have to find what works best for you and your books.

The beauty (curse?) of the internet is the volume of information (and opinion) you can find on any topic you want. There's a lot of data out there, but the only data that will ultimately matter is your own. Your books will sell, in some ways, like many others out there. They'll also sell very differently from everyone else. See: writer as artists, unique and beautiful snowflakes, etc, etc...

As an example, I'm working on an epic fantasy novel. It'll probably end up at about 50k words when it's done. I purposely wrote it short because a) it was less expensive to get started, b) I've actually come to REALLY like shorter works but not necessarily "short stories". The problem, of course, is that epic fantasy readers tend to prefer tomes of weight and heft. Something you could kill an intruder with if you happen to have left your sword downstairs. Will some fantasy fans appreciate a shorter read? Hell if I know. But I sure do.

Since this is only your second book, you still have a lot of data to gather. Which is what this whole blog post is about, so bravo! :) May I suggest, from no actual data or experience selling a single book:

Price the first one at $0.99 for a limited time once you release the second one. Now that you have more than one book to see, let some new people try out your first one and maybe get hooked on you as a writer. I wouldn't leave it at this price indefinitely though. Make sure people know it's only for a while. It makes the impulse decision almost irresistible. I know it does for me.

Something I've not seen done before, but you might be able to make work, is to price each book successively higher. $0.99 for the first, $2.99 for the second and then $4.99 when the third comes out. Sort of a stepping stone to people who like you enough to want to keep going with the series. Until the stigma of self-publishing goes away in the PUBLIC consciousness, I don't think higher than $5 is viable. I may be someday, but like it or not, people are getting used to lower prices for digital goods.

Once I'm hooked on a writer, I'll buy their stuff at nearly any price. I still stick mostly to the under $5 bin, but I would consider going higher for a writer I love or a new book in a series I'm completely hooked on. But I've definitely discovered more writers with a $0.99 book out there than any other. Though you risk bodily harm from wifely projectiles, I would at least consider $0.99 for a limited time to promote the second book.

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08/17/2011 12:11pm

You have one book out and are putting out a second book in that series.

Do you know when the third book (if there is one) will be out?

So you no doubt have some readers who have read your stuff and will be willing to buy the second one at any reasonable price point but haven't had so many that you can just throw some crap out there and sell a few hundred thousand copies.

You are still, building your brand and presumably haven't quit your day job.

I would say building an audience is more important than maximizing every cent that comes in.

Ergo...

I would suggest that when Book 2 comes out you price Book 1 at 99c and Book 2 at $2.99.

The .99c price on book 1 will bring in some folks who are just looking for something new and cheap to read. Almost nobody who likes book 1 will be put off by a 2.99 price tag on book 2. And if I remember right you get 70% of a 2.99 sale and 35% of a .99 sale so one sale at 2.99 is worth about six sales at .99 to you in cheeseburgers or cheesesteaks or whatever.

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08/17/2011 12:12pm

Michael K. - Your scale is in line with the one my friend/Sensei Dean Wesley Smith promotes. It makes sense and DWS has already published a few blogs on how many less books an author has to sell in order to earn the same amount of money - at 70% versus the 35% at $0.99.

Konrath makes a good point (and my pal Scott Nicholson proves his point) that you can move a lot of books - if they're quality reads - at $0.99. John Locke also promotes both the $2.99 and $0.99 price points.

Personally, the one PP I struggle with justifying is $4.99. I write in the 53k-100k range, which by your scale and Dean's means I should be priced at $4.99. I think establishing that price then discounting off that for short periods may be the way to go for me. Thx!

Genevieve - You're right of course - no one cares how long it took to grow the apple, the price better be in line with other apples or it's not being purchased. c",)

$7.99, huh ... it's curious to me that I wouldn't blink for paying that for paper but would personally have a tougher time pulling the trigger on a $7.99 eBook. It's the same read - although Jaye above pointed out how little the secondary value is for an eBook.

I have to keep thanking everyone for weighing in here - as a trained analyst, I find solutions emerge from larger samples of populations! c",)

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08/17/2011 12:20pm

The post I wrote on ebook pricing a year ago is still the one that gets the most hits.

http://jordanscroft.blogspot.com/2010/10/e-book-pricing.html

This is what a romance e-publisher charges for their books.

$0.99 Short Shorts: Under 3K
$1.99 Shorts: 3-7K
$2.99 Stories: 7-15K
$3.99 Novelettes: 15-35K
$4.99 Novellas: 35-50K
$5.99 Novels 50-70K
$6.99 Super Novels: 70-140K
$7.99 Super XL Novels: 140-250K
$8.99 Super XXL Novels: 250K +

There aren't many publishers who sell a full length novel for $.99 outside of Indies. I think of it as 'pulp-fiction' pricing.

Did you write a pulp-fiction novel? If not then don't use pulp-fiction pricing. The new 'penny dreadful' is actually a 'dollar dreadful.'

It's tough to stand out from the crowd these days. I completely empathize with your problem.

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08/17/2011 12:28pm

Beth - you made me think of a course I took at Wharton, taught by a quant professor from the University of Chicago (the Mecca of quant). The title of the course was, "The Psychology of Investing" (based on the book of the same name written by that prof.) Anyway, we were all expecting a quant to inundate us with all sorts of statistical analyses to explain people's buying/selling habits when it came to investing. It turns out, this Professor decided that rational/logical statistics derived from past performance could not accurately predict irrational buying/selling habits.

His point (and mine) only the psychology of investing could explain for why people buy and sell what they do, when they do - and in many cases, the reasons people buy and sell aren't rational or reasonable at all.

I suspect that there's a psychology to book buying too ... your comment brought that to my mind. Thank you (and thx to PG for ... sending you).

Raspy! That's exactly how I'm looking at it and leaning towards! B/t/w ... I did quit my day job for a new venture ... writing novels. I've owned and operated several businesses in the past and while not quite as successful as John Locke was before his writing career - I've been blessed with a measure of success in each.

I treat my writing career exactly the same way as I would any business I've started in the last 30 years. I've been in industries before where there was a 'backward-L" curve to profit-making (flat or near flat sales until a critical point where sales take off exponentially). Dean Wesley Smith goes into detail explaining how that happens. He also tells about how many published novels one needs in order to reach that critical mass (without any one work becoming a NYT Bestseller). His number is 15, in order to really establish both your writing career and a respectable level of steady income (at least for me). Of course the novels have to be good.

... but I'm with you with your pricing suggestions! B/t/w ... I'm shooting for a December release of the third novel in the series.

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08/17/2011 1:08pm

Damon - I've read in a few places that because of the emergence and convenience of eBook readers, readers are trending towards shorter full-length novels - so you may be onto something!

Everything else you said makes sense to me. Thx!

K.A. - I don't know a whole lot about romance novels. Are they relatively longer than thriller novels? Your scale would have my novels selling at $6.99. I know what you mean about pulp-fiction pricing, my works wouldn't be considered pf but I'm not sure, at my current level of non-celebrity, I'd garner many sales with a price over $5.

I'll be honest too - I'm not one to ever want to overprice things. I kind of like the feeling of offering folks more value then the price might reflect. Although, that thinking doesn't pay the mortgage ... or the electric ... or the food bill ... Appreciate your thoughts!

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08/17/2011 1:28pm

Interesting discussion! K.A. -- that's an e-publisher, not an indie, so I think some of the arguments for lower indie pricing still hold. :)

Gerard, the cool thing is that you have control and flexibility over all this. My unscientific advice is to price your new book no higher than $4.99 and no lower than $2.99. And consider discounting your first book -- but again, I don't think a novel should live under the $2.99 price point for any extended period of time. As a temporary loss-leader? Sure. But I wouldn't want to leave it there.

Good luck and make sure to post about how it goes! :)

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08/17/2011 2:31pm

I can't give you advice, but I'll say that if I had, say, three or four books in a series I would make the first book either free or sell it for $0.99 and use it like a 'hook' to get people interested in my series. I would try charging $2.99 (or thereabouts) for the other books in the series and then adjust my pricing strategy depending on what sales looked like after a few months.

Good luck!

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Scath
08/17/2011 3:34pm

I'm with Mr. Kingswood on pricing. I think
novel length ebooks should be priced less than your average impulse mass market PB at the grocery store checkout, but not at 99c for more than a limited time.

In fact, his price points are pretty close to my own.

And just to throw a bit more fun/confusion into the mix, I've sold more ebooks, ranging from 10k - 44k word counts, for between $3 and just over $5 than I have under $3 down to 99c.

For over a year there, any time I dropped my price points, my sales tanked. ;)

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08/17/2011 3:41pm

Anthea, I do like the control (my wife says I'm a control freak, I choose to take that as a compliment). It appears that the $4.99 to $2.99 area is where my novels have to be with the $0.99 price used for the first in the series and as a short-term incentive. I will definitely post how it turns out. Thanks!

Karen ... and why can't you give advice? Guess what, you just did! c",)

Everyone's entitled to their opinions (except husbands when wives ask them for theirs). In fact, I agree with you - and lots of others that commented - seriously considering now, dropping the price of my first novel (1st in series) to $0.99 when the new one comes out at $2.99.

I'll save the $4.99 price for Book III and might not even raise to it then. Meanwhile, I'll continue to keep an eye on prices moving forward. Thank you and thanks again and again to everyone else that weighed in.

I hope more people leave their ideas so our whole community can benefit from it. After all, it's what my pub is for ...

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08/17/2011 3:48pm

Woo! Scath ... you have to feed us a bit more info on that! Can you attribute any other causes for the sales tanking with lower prices?

Or do you have an opinion why you're selling more books at the higher prices?

You know of course, the moment my wife reads your comment - I'm gonna get a hardcover over my head ...

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08/17/2011 4:11pm

Thanks to G for posing the question, and everyone else for their insight.

This new market paradigm feels like the Wild West. As a reader, I've only bought one trad-pub e-book for $1.99 during Amazon's sale in June. The rest of the trad-pub e-books I've downloaded were freebies. There are many books I might have bought if it weren't for the fact I could buy the hardback version for the same price or less than the e-book version.

As for indies, I've bought e-books under the same reasoning I bought paper books-either the book was recommended by a friend, I've supported a friend by buying their book, or the book was by an author who's work I love. I've paid between $0.99 and $3.99.

Hope that helps a little.

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08/17/2011 5:43pm

Mate, there is HEAPS of information on this out there, from Konrath's blog to Bob Mayer's blog and Kindleboard Forum posts.

What I've learned from all those is this:
- Write a series.
- Make them really good books.
- Make the first book $0.99.
- Make the rest $2.99.
- Sit back and watch sales grow.
- Retire. Try not to poke yourself in the eye with the little umbrellas that Umberto is bringing you poolside.

Good luck!

PS - Mmmmmmggrkleggggrrrggg... cheeeeeesesteak...

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South Philly Wife
08/17/2011 6:01pm

$9- why you say? … because $9 is the price of the best cheesesteak in the universe at Geno’s in South Philly (although Jim’s on South Street is a close second). It would be appropriate that Gerard pay homage to his second favorite Philly creation!

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08/17/2011 6:42pm

Lots of great points!

As one of those cited authors, my reasoning is: it really doesn't matter what an author thinks their work is "worth." You are NOT a better writer just because you charge more for your work, nor does it automatically mean the reader will place a higher value on it, either (although I acknowledge there is some psychological evidence that correlates value with the price paid, instead of the enjoyment derived.)

Readers will no longer pay you more money just because your book is longer. To them, it's a stack of electrons. There are people out there selling short stories at $2.99, while some 120,000-word novels are 99 cents.

And data is increasingly showing $2.99 to $4.99 is feeling the natural price range for ebooks.

The bestseller list is actually a horrible place to do comparison sampling unless you are a bestseller. Overpriced bestsellers from "habit consumers" will still skew the market, just as free books will. (I don't even know where you found the list that included the free books, but clearly free books aren't selling anything--for the record, my freebie is a story collection that was accidentally triggered through a snafu in another market, I am not a fan of unlimited free books). If you're already a bestseller, you SHOULD be charging $12.99, at least until readers catch on and start resenting your greed.

At 99 cents, you can make a lot of volume. I sold about 70,000 copies of Liquid Fear in three months, so that was $25,000 for me. At $2.99, I might have sold 5,000 and earned $10,000. Which number would make me a "better" writer? All I care about is reaching the most readers and making the most money--all the abstract, subjective notions of the value of "art" are meaningless. This is a product of dreams--it has no intrinsic worth. You can't eat it, drive it to the store, or keep rain off your head with it. It's a shared agreement between the author and customer.

Too many writers just look at what THEY think their book is worth, when they really should be concerned with what the customer thinks it is worth. And the customer is always right.

Good luck, Gerard!

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08/17/2011 7:13pm

Suzan - it does, thanks!

Judd - I feel that (Brooklyn slang) thanks!

South Philly Wife - I'm skipping over you since I sleep with you!

Scott!!!!!! I absolutely cited you brutha - your sales are outstanding!

By the way - I totally agree with your points - I'm a converted demon from the pits of hell (translated: I was a Managing Director of a Hedge Fund) so ... we understand that it doesn't matter a bit what 'we' thought something was worth - it ONLY matters what the folks think. <--- period

Thanks for explaining the freebie side and your views on it. By the way, the list was just searching "Thrillers" in Amazon and then filtering with "Bestselling." Like I mentioned above - I wasn't attempting to do a scientific analysis.

And you're right of course - comparing apples to organges by my using a bestseller list when trying to determine my price point. But that's how I roll ... whenever I start a business I compare myself with the winners (did I just sound like Charlie Sheen?).

The key point in your comparative analysis is that you said you "might" have sold 5,000 and earned ...

There's a few people (seasoned authors) that think authors like you and John Locke might very well have sold 90% of what you sold at $0.99 ... because of your established name. 90% 'could' have yielded you a ton more $$$ then $10k.

Again, someone like you or Locke 'bestselling' authors can get away with that - I can't.

I'm totally with you - I don't care what my book is worth to me ... I get freebies. c",)

p.s. my wife is almost through with Liquid Fear ... we just watched Shutter Island last night and she said she got the same creepy feeling from LF as she did from that movie!

Thanks for stopping by brutha - continued success!

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Scath
08/17/2011 8:59pm

Well, since you asked. :)

I write urban fantasy, paranormal romance, and general scifi with a dash of romance.

69.3% of my sales have been priced between $3.25 and $5.25, for short stories of 7,500 up to 'novels' of 44k. 21% were $5.25 (30k - 44k word counts).

30.7% of my sales have been 99c up to $2.99, and have included shorts of 1-7k, as well as longer works priced lower for a month or two at a time.

13.8% have been 99c-$1, shorts of 1k -7k, as well as the occasional 99c promo of longer titles.

I should note that about a third of those 99c sales were for a new novella release with a promotional price of 99c earlier this year and included a month of pretty heavy promoting.

One of my $5.25 novellas only sold 2 copies when I dropped the price to 99c for two months (and in spite of a good review where the reviewer said the story reminded her of Heinlein's writing).

My two best price points (most sales overall) were $5.25 for novellas/novels (30k - 44k), and $3.25 for shorts and novelettes (7,500 - 15k). Those account for 47% of my overall sales.

Most of the time, I barely promote beyond my own blog or the occasional mention on Twitter, so I am by no means 'known'. :)

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08/18/2011 6:42am

Thanks Scath - It's difficult to derive attribution from short data sets, but the numbers are what the numbers are for you.

Interesting though ... I appreciate it.

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Scath
08/18/2011 1:21pm

No problem. =)

Personal opinion, gathered from a few years of watching my sales and what others have said about their own sales: I think Romance/Erotica can stand higher price points than say, science fiction.

Other genres seem to need the additional 'push' of the author either already being well-known, and/or having built up a readership over a period of time.

I'm working on a series, and may be releasing the first book (they'll all be in the 65-80k range) for 99c its first month, then bump the price up to $2.99. The other books in the series might be initially released for 99c or $2.99 their first months, and then move to their regular price (which will be $5.99).

No clue if that will fly, but right now, about all any of us can do is experiment and see what our personal results are. =)

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08/19/2011 7:28am

The following is just my personal opinion and should be taken with at least a few grains of salt:

When I first started reading ebooks I was very wary of those with a price that was 'too low'. It made me suspicious.

Having now been buying ebooks for some time, I am no longer put off by the price - in fact I don't really care what the price is as long as it is reasonable. I think that ebooks shouldn't be priced higher than 9.99 and that a 'good price' is around $5.

That being said, I have been lured into reading many series because the first book was priced so low. After getting hooked you'll pay whatever you have to in order to complete the series.

I'd say stick with 4.99, it's not so high that it is going to turn people off, and not so low that it will make them think your book can't possibly be worth reading. In my mind, it is the ideal price.

Thanks for letting me share my two cents!

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08/19/2011 9:01am

That's actually an interesting point, Theriaka - the fact that you were no longer put off by the low prices once you'd been reading eBooks for awhile.

Yep ... that $4.99 to $2.99 seems like the two price points that are most appropriate for a novel.

Thanks for your pennies!

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08/28/2011 4:12pm

I think of books as like coffee. For anything less that the price of a coffee, the price does not matter. Anything more than a coffee has to be SOLD, by having a Big name attached to it, a solid fan base, a clever marketing gimmick - whatever.

A higher price without a positive sales advantage will reduce your revenue below what it would have been at a lower price point.

The moral? Authors need to get creative with sales/marketing. Endlessly Twittering to other authors will not bring in the sales. As an example of an alternative, I have started a selling co-op at http://www.jacquelinegeorgewriter.com/Yellow_Silk_Dreams.html for a particular market niche. Just one example of small authors getting hold of the selling problem.

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09/07/2011 11:12am

I'm new to self-publishing, but I've decided to sell short stories in the .99 to 2.99 range and longer work in the 3.00-6.00 range. I'm still experimenting with price.

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09/07/2011 12:40pm

I think you're right on the money with that pricing, Lisa!

I hope you sell a bunch,
g

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